Opk and bbt don - Hello lovelies I am currently on CD20 and I think I Ov on CD18 Bedtime of CD17 I was convinced my opk was positive however my apps confirmed it wasn’t quite…

 
Jul 7, 2020 at 9:39 PM. I would count ovulation 12-36 hrs after your Peak result. Thats how I've always done it and I've been successful. I continue to have positive opk for 1 or 2 days after the peak one but i know LH is coming down at that point. And i would BD on ovulation day and the next 2 or 3 days after as well. . Riverside county coroner

Mar 29, 2012 · This is my first month using OPK's and I am CD20 or 21 and still no positive. I do tend to have longer cycles usually around 33 days sometimes more and a few times less so I am wondering if that it why. My tests have got a little darker but still nowhere near the control line. I do a test in the afternoon and lately I have been doing one in the ... See last answer. Amme N. 28/02/2021 at 5:24 pm. After u ovulate you should have 3 consecutive rises in temp... this is mine this month so I know I’ve ovulated and have been strict with timing temp taking this month.. last month I was a bit wishy washy. Edited on 28/02/2021 at 5:25 pm by Amme N.Really considering giving up on OPKs: Only tried OPK strips so far and find it super annoying that you can't test with FMU. I think it is absolutely…Cara Guna OPK: boleh start check 2-3 hari selepas period. untuk yang jarang period, disarankan buat BBT (*cara buat BBT ada kat bawah) untuk period yang regular, formula kiraan cycle period – 14 = hari dijangka ovulate. Jadi mula check OPK 2-3 hari sebelum tu. kena check OPK sehingga -ve semula selepas +ve.It is now Thursday (CD24) but by BBT has not risen - it has in fact been going down! What is happening and is there still a chance I can ovulate since my BBT hasn’t shifted? My BBT cycle last month indicated a temp shift immediately after ovulation on CD20 (didn’t use OPK last month). I’m quite worried I didn’t ovulate this month. Really considering giving up on OPKs: Only tried OPK strips so far and find it super annoying that you can't test with FMU. I think it is absolutely… BBT rise day before positive OPK. March 18, 2023 | by lliiivvii1112. I’m on cycle 7 trying to conceive baby #1. My BBT was raised yesterday (98F) and I hadn’t got a positive OKP yet so I figured I missed my peek. Because I’m curious I continued taking OPKs and got a very dark positive this morning along with...swirl25 member. member. member. My temp rises anywhere between 2 and 4 days after a +OPK. Everyone is different. My OBGYN said this is super normal - your LH surge can either trigger an O right away or a few days later! Lesley0228 member. My O is typically two days after my first +OPK.For most women, the answer is no. LH rises to tell the body that it is time to ovulate and surges 24-36 hours before the release of an egg. If you don’t see this surge, you probably took the test at the wrong time, ovulated early or late, or are experiencing an anovulatory cycle. Rarely, however, your baseline LH level may be high or low ...Jan 21, 2020 · Cara Guna OPK: boleh start check 2-3 hari selepas period. untuk yang jarang period, disarankan buat BBT (*cara buat BBT ada kat bawah) untuk period yang regular, formula kiraan cycle period – 14 = hari dijangka ovulate. Jadi mula check OPK 2-3 hari sebelum tu. kena check OPK sehingga -ve semula selepas +ve. I am using cheap OPK strips and Ovia. Ovia became much more accurate after the OPK's because I don't ovulate until day 19-20 (of a 32-34 day cycle). I don't think I'll temp because I'm one of those people who will obsess over it (same reason I can't count calories because it'd go downhill quickly). My bbt dropped this morning and Iv had ovulation pains all day, so that would predict that Iv ovulated today- as long as I have a temp rise tomorrow which I’m expecting going by last months chart. But on my clearblue opk Iv got flashing smiley no static yet. If it goes static tomorrow that will say ovulation within 24-48 hours.Advertisement ...Apr 14, 2023 · OPK and BBT not aligning. Wondering if anyone ever has their BBT and OPK not match up. I use clear blue digital advanced and I got the static smiley on Saturday 4/1. But my BBT didn’t rise until Saturday 4/8, so fertility friend has ovulation day being Friday 4/7. I had ewcm that Friday to Sunday 4/7-4/9. Nov 12, 2019 at 2:22 PM. A lot women (including myself!!) think we ovulate on average 12-36 hours after our PEAK on our OPK. This is not necessarily true. "On average, ovulation occurs 24 hours after the first positive ovulation test. That means that you could have several days of positive tests in a row, but already ovulate after the first day."I am still in shock - I got a bfp today. I was desperately hoping I would get af soon (I have only had one pp period so far) so we could officially start ttc with all the bells and whistles (opk, bbt, supplements, etc). I was actually excited for the cramps I have been feeling - I figured she was right around the corner! I don't know how long I will get to hang around here - but for the moment ...Every cycle I have been able to measure the LH surge, and also the temp increase when I have ovulated and drop in BBT when AF is arriving. My FP/Ovulation has been all over the place though, so literally I measure OPK 2 times a day just to make sure I don't miss it. The range has been 18-37 days for ovulation - yup, that's a lot of OPKs!The OPK method is even more powerful when combined with the basal body temperature (BBT) method because the two methods together create an “ovulation sandwich.” (Check out my post on the BBT method for details on how to incorporate it into your ovulation tracking activities.) Since the OPK method gives you about 1-2 days’ notice prior to ...This is usually the case with endometriosis. If you do not ovulate, then you may still experience bleeding that is often mistaken for menstruation. This anovulatory bleeding will be irregular, varying in flow, duration and schedule. Without ovulation and resulting lack of progesterone to balance the effects of estrogen, your uterine lining ...According to my bbt and my CM, I should be most fertile today, but my daily OPK has been negative. I'm definitely over-thinking this, but it's because I don't think I ovulated at all last month - my chart never showed a sustained rise, my OPK was negative, and we had sex every day for 2 weeks and didn't get pregnant.My bbt dropped this morning and Iv had ovulation pains all day, so that would predict that Iv ovulated today- as long as I have a temp rise tomorrow which I’m expecting going by last months chart. But on my clearblue opk Iv got flashing smiley no static yet. If it goes static tomorrow that will say ovulation within 24-48 hours.Bbt Spike But No Peak Fertility On Opk. K. Karter2013. Mar 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM. I have been TTC since December and still no luck. I started temping this cycle and got a big temp spike this morning. I am using clearblue advanced opk's and I have only gotten two flashing faces which means high fertility, but I haven't gotten a peak fertility yet.Mar 15, 2017 · A positive opk means your body is gearing up to release the egg. It is possible for the egg not to be released. What usually happens is your body will have another lh surge in a few days to try to release the egg again, resulting in a late cycle. Feb 28, 2021 · See last answer. Amme N. 28/02/2021 at 5:24 pm. After u ovulate you should have 3 consecutive rises in temp... this is mine this month so I know I’ve ovulated and have been strict with timing temp taking this month.. last month I was a bit wishy washy. Edited on 28/02/2021 at 5:25 pm by Amme N. Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. Jun 5, 2012 · Jun 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM. @Destiny_2013, A pos. opk DOES NOT mean u O. It just confirms your lh surge. The only way to confirm O is with temping. U can get a pos. opk and not O. U can also get a neg. opk but temp rise which means u did O. It is possible your body prepared to O but didn't. EWCM is not an indicator of ovulation, just that it should be happening soon. 2. It could be seminal or arousal fluids if you have BD in the last 12-24 hours. Most women know this but its worth saying as most couples tracking CM are also BD regularly around the time they think they are going to ovulate. 3.A Discussion on OPK’s vs BBT Charting. Many women become confused when their OPK’s (Ovulation Predictor Kits) and BBT’s (Basal Body Temperatures) don’t agree on the day of ovulation- understandably so. This is one of the more confusing topics I’ve researched! We’ll file this under “advanced topics”. Here’s why.Even with a slow rise, a temperature pattern usually becomes apparent after a few days. It can be helpful to consult with other fertility signs such as cervical mucus and cervical position. Ovulation is most likely to occur on the last day of fertile cervical mucus. But with a slow rise it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint the exact day of ...According to my bbt and my CM, I should be most fertile today, but my daily OPK has been negative. I'm definitely over-thinking this, but it's because I don't think I ovulated at all last month - my chart never showed a sustained rise, my OPK was negative, and we had sex every day for 2 weeks and didn't get pregnant.Mar 24, 2021 · Basal body temperature (BBT) tracking: Before and after ovulation, BBT (your body’s lowest resting temperature) dips, then rises again. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Jan 6, 2020 · I was diagnosed with endometriosis and pcos. I started metformin last month, used provera to kick in my period then letrozole on cd 3-7. FF had marked cd 10 as my ovulation but that is way too early for me. My typical cycle is more or less 45 days and I ovulate somewhere from cd 25 onwards. But my BBT have been up. BBT rise day before positive OPK. March 18, 2023 | by lliiivvii1112. I’m on cycle 7 trying to conceive baby #1. My BBT was raised yesterday (98F) and I hadn’t got a positive OKP yet so I figured I missed my peek. Because I’m curious I continued taking OPKs and got a very dark positive this morning along with...1. Changes in basal body temperature (BBT) Your BBT is your lowest body temperature (your body temperature at rest) in a 24-hour period. On the day after you ovulate, your BBT will go up slightly, by 0.5 to 1.0 degrees Fahrenheit. It will stay elevated until your next period. It may also dip slightly just before the increase.Jan 4, 2017 · Even with a slow rise, a temperature pattern usually becomes apparent after a few days. It can be helpful to consult with other fertility signs such as cervical mucus and cervical position. Ovulation is most likely to occur on the last day of fertile cervical mucus. But with a slow rise it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint the exact day of ... Advertisement ...Advertisement ...Hey yeah as a few said you will likely ovulate today. Most often you will see day A. positive opk day B. Ovulation itself day C. Bbt Rise You may see some variance from this, sometimes it takes 2 days to see bbt rise or sometimes your LH surge may happen more than 24hrs before O. But generally the pattern is as listed above.Some women have a long surge for more than 1 day so this means if you just do the above and presume the next day the egg releases and that's the only day you BD (when it really does it 2-3 days later) you've hosed yourself. The best thing IMO is to keep tracking (+) OPK test until you have a BBT temperature drop also.Bbt Spike But No Peak Fertility On Opk. K. Karter2013. Mar 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM. I have been TTC since December and still no luck. I started temping this cycle and got a big temp spike this morning. I am using clearblue advanced opk's and I have only gotten two flashing faces which means high fertility, but I haven't gotten a peak fertility yet.Even with a slow rise, a temperature pattern usually becomes apparent after a few days. It can be helpful to consult with other fertility signs such as cervical mucus and cervical position. Ovulation is most likely to occur on the last day of fertile cervical mucus. But with a slow rise it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint the exact day of ...Jul 17, 2022 · OPK or BBT? Curious to hear others experiences when they were TTC. I have been doing both OPK tests and measuring my BBT for several months and I’m noticing that I’ll get a positive OPK but then my body temperature won’t spike for sometimes up to 4 days later. May 19, 2019 · TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so... May 19, 2019 · TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so... The month I conceived, I had a negative OPK 2 days before my ovulation, which was detected with my bbt. Good thing we had sex during that time or I would’ve completely missed it. LikeAdvertisement ...They are most effective when used together, because OPKs can tell you when ovulation is coming (usually) and BBT can confirm it happened. Not everyone ovulates 12-24 hours from their positive OPK, it can be up to 72 hours after and in around 20% of women (I’m one of them!) ovulation can actually occur prior to/ immediately after the OPK turns positive.TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so...Ovulation test strips are urine tests that you use at home to detect impending ovulation. They work by detecting the luteinizing hormone (LH), which increases to prompt the release of the egg during ovulation. Sometimes they are called ovulation predictor kits (OPKs), or simply ovulation tests.Jun 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM. @Destiny_2013, A pos. opk DOES NOT mean u O. It just confirms your lh surge. The only way to confirm O is with temping. U can get a pos. opk and not O. U can also get a neg. opk but temp rise which means u did O. It is possible your body prepared to O but didn't.Advertisement ... TTC #2 (Clomid worked successfully for DD, but 3 rounds didn’t work this time around). On first round of Femara. Usually I O on CD16, but you can see on my chart below that I O-d CD13. I’ve never had an OPK stronger than that! We BD-ed on the day the positive OPK and the day after. I had an HSG on CD12 so...Even with a slow rise, a temperature pattern usually becomes apparent after a few days. It can be helpful to consult with other fertility signs such as cervical mucus and cervical position. Ovulation is most likely to occur on the last day of fertile cervical mucus. But with a slow rise it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint the exact day of ...Sep 12, 2018 · Tracking Fertility: OPK vs. BBT. Q: Which is a better method of tracking fertility — an ovulation predictor kit (OPK) or basal body temperature (BBT) charting? A: An ovulation predictor kit changes color before you ovulate, based on a surge in your luteinizing hormone (LH), usually 1-2 days before ovulation. For most women, the answer is no. LH rises to tell the body that it is time to ovulate and surges 24-36 hours before the release of an egg. If you don’t see this surge, you probably took the test at the wrong time, ovulated early or late, or are experiencing an anovulatory cycle. Rarely, however, your baseline LH level may be high or low ...Business, Economics, and Finance. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. CryptoMar 24, 2021 · Basal body temperature (BBT) tracking: Before and after ovulation, BBT (your body’s lowest resting temperature) dips, then rises again. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Tracking this shift can let you know if an egg was released. Aug 30, 2019 · Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful. Women who ovulate and check their basal body temperature (BBT) chart will probably notice a small, but sustained rise in temperature after ovulation, especially after a few months of experience with close monitoring. A woman who is not ovulating will not have that small temperature change. Tracking BBT in addition to cervical mucus can be helpful.If your ovulation test is positive, this means that your LH levels are above the threshold considered to be “surging” – meaning that ovulation will likely happen within 24-36 hours. At rest, typical LH levels for women are between 5-25 IU/L, and during the LH surge, they can peak up to 100+ IU/L. The most common and reliable threshold for ...After Fallopian Tube Surgery: TTC, OPK, BBT I refused at first to get into the rigors of what I called “Die hard trying to conceive ( TTC) “. I refused to use ovulation predictor test kits (OPKs), take my basal body temperature (BBT) to chart ovulation, or anything other help with conceiving.Really considering giving up on OPKs: Only tried OPK strips so far and find it super annoying that you can't test with FMU. I think it is absolutely…BBT shows AFTER O. (You don't get your change on BBT until after you have already O). OPK advised 24-36 hours PRIOR to O. By using OPK and BBT, you should forecast your O date with the OPK and verify you did O via BBT. Whenever you get a few minutes (okay, like 20 or so), I recommend checking out peeonastick.com. This is a very thorough website ... Even with a slow rise, a temperature pattern usually becomes apparent after a few days. It can be helpful to consult with other fertility signs such as cervical mucus and cervical position. Ovulation is most likely to occur on the last day of fertile cervical mucus. But with a slow rise it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint the exact day of ...Oct 29, 2022 · 14K subscribers in the TFABChartStalkers community. Business, Economics, and Finance. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla Jun 5, 2012 at 7:13 PM. @Destiny_2013, A pos. opk DOES NOT mean u O. It just confirms your lh surge. The only way to confirm O is with temping. U can get a pos. opk and not O. U can also get a neg. opk but temp rise which means u did O. It is possible your body prepared to O but didn't.OPK and BBT not aligning. Wondering if anyone ever has their BBT and OPK not match up. I use clear blue digital advanced and I got the static smiley on Saturday 4/1. But my BBT didn’t rise until Saturday 4/8, so fertility friend has ovulation day being Friday 4/7. I had ewcm that Friday to Sunday 4/7-4/9.You don't O on the day of a positive opk. It's 12-36 hours after the positive opk, so that's the reason for the low temps for now. Sometimes you can get a positive opk and not O.Ovulation predictor kit (OPK) Ovulation predictor kits look just like the home pregnancy tests but they determine when you are ovulating instead. Unfortunately, different brands vary in their accuracy. If you are finding positive tests with the regular "pee-on-the-stick" kind, then you don't really need the fertility monitor.If your OPK is positive but your temperature never spikes, it could be a one-time fluke. But if it continues to happen pretty regularly and you're sure you've dotted your Is and crossed your Ts ...Ideally, you should use one that is accurate to 1/10th (98.6) of a degree if you measure in Fahrenheit or 1/100th (37.00) of a degree in Celsius. Use the same thermometer throughout the cycle. If you buy a new one, start using it on day one of the next cycle. Taking your BBT is not too hard.A bit over 90% of cycles with a positive OPK are ultimately ovulatory (but not necessarily the day after the positive OPK, as the conventional wisdom would tell you). (EDIT: source here) Overall, no, it’s not necessary to track every possible fertility sign, and if you don’t want to track BBT, then you shouldn’t. By using OPK and BBT, you should forecast your O date with the OPK and verify you did O via BBT. Whenever you get a few minutes (okay, like 20 or so), I recommend checking out peeonastick.com. This is a very thorough website that will give you a ton of information on CM, BBT, OPK, etc.According to my bbt and my CM, I should be most fertile today, but my daily OPK has been negative. I'm definitely over-thinking this, but it's because I don't think I ovulated at all last month - my chart never showed a sustained rise, my OPK was negative, and we had sex every day for 2 weeks and didn't get pregnant.Tracking Fertility: OPK vs. BBT. Q: Which is a better method of tracking fertility — an ovulation predictor kit (OPK) or basal body temperature (BBT) charting? A: An ovulation predictor kit changes color before you ovulate, based on a surge in your luteinizing hormone (LH), usually 1-2 days before ovulation.CD 14: 96.94 CD 15: 97.11 CD 16: 97.18 CD 17: 96.81 CD 18 (first positive OPK): 97.08 CD 19: 97.18 CD 20: 97.18 CD 21 (today): 97.26 Is it possible I ovulated the same day as first positive so the CD 17 reading was the dip, and then every day since then has been a little higher? Hi all, I'm new here. I'm almost 35 and we've been TTC for 9 months. We usually BD the few days before I get a positive OPK, the day I get a positive OPK, and usually the day after. Well, I started temping 3 months ago and realized there are 4-5 days between my positive OPK's and my temp shift. So when...

Sep 4, 2018 · In answer toClaire R (1533) Anyone?! Thks! X. Hi Claire, You opk surge usually occurs a day or two before your bbt rise so watch out for it! You then need 3 consecutive high temps to confirm your ovulation on fertility friend then you can get an accurate count on your dpo, good luck! xx. . Lee brick and tile

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Jan 2, 2014 · You don't O on the day of a positive opk. It's 12-36 hours after the positive opk, so that's the reason for the low temps for now. Sometimes you can get a positive opk and not O. Yes absolutely. If you took the photo 4 times it would probably spit out 4 different numbers 😂 realistically the numbers don’t mean anything, all you’re looking for is a positive OPK, where the test line is as dark or darker than the control line. Mar 23, 2015 · Bbt Spike But No Peak Fertility On Opk. K. Karter2013. Mar 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM. I have been TTC since December and still no luck. I started temping this cycle and got a big temp spike this morning. I am using clearblue advanced opk's and I have only gotten two flashing faces which means high fertility, but I haven't gotten a peak fertility yet. See last answer. Amme N. 28/02/2021 at 5:24 pm. After u ovulate you should have 3 consecutive rises in temp... this is mine this month so I know I’ve ovulated and have been strict with timing temp taking this month.. last month I was a bit wishy washy. Edited on 28/02/2021 at 5:25 pm by Amme N.The egg could drop anywhere from 12-48+ hours after you get your last +OPK. And, to make it more confusing, sometimes your body can ramp up, have the LH surge (you get a +OPK) and then for some ...Ideally, you should use one that is accurate to 1/10th (98.6) of a degree if you measure in Fahrenheit or 1/100th (37.00) of a degree in Celsius. Use the same thermometer throughout the cycle. If you buy a new one, start using it on day one of the next cycle. Taking your BBT is not too hard.Sep 3, 2011 · Basically, your negative OPK could mean several things. 1) You haven't gotten your surge yet. 2) You have gotten your surge (probably yesterday) and are ovulating today, but for whatever reason didn't ever see the positive OPK. That could be because you didn't test yesterday, or you may have a really short surge. Sep 16, 2019 · BBT rise day before positive OPK. March 18, 2023 | by lliiivvii1112. I’m on cycle 7 trying to conceive baby #1. My BBT was raised yesterday (98F) and I hadn’t got a positive OKP yet so I figured I missed my peek. Because I’m curious I continued taking OPKs and got a very dark positive this morning along with... Jul 7, 2020 at 9:39 PM. I would count ovulation 12-36 hrs after your Peak result. Thats how I've always done it and I've been successful. I continue to have positive opk for 1 or 2 days after the peak one but i know LH is coming down at that point. And i would BD on ovulation day and the next 2 or 3 days after as well. It is now Thursday (CD24) but by BBT has not risen - it has in fact been going down! What is happening and is there still a chance I can ovulate since my BBT hasn’t shifted? My BBT cycle last month indicated a temp shift immediately after ovulation on CD20 (didn’t use OPK last month). I’m quite worried I didn’t ovulate this month. Jackelbee3. don't bother with any pregnancy tests if your temp starts to decline. It should be elevated after ovulation and will decline steadily if AF is coming. Sounds like you are doing all of the right things. Good luck to you. Charting my BBT along with using the OPK have really helped me a lot. Jacks.Jun 28, 2023 · Ovulation tests are easy to use. Ovulation kits work similarly to home pregnancy tests—you simply pee on the test stick, activating a chemical that can detect your LH surge. Many OPKs come as a ... Therefore, BBT and OPK combined will let you know if you are really O'ing. If you are still in doubt then you should have your doc test and see if you are or not. I have cysts and was not O'ing at ...CD 14: 96.94 CD 15: 97.11 CD 16: 97.18 CD 17: 96.81 CD 18 (first positive OPK): 97.08 CD 19: 97.18 CD 20: 97.18 CD 21 (today): 97.26 Is it possible I ovulated the same day as first positive so the CD 17 reading was the dip, and then every day since then has been a little higher? Jan 21, 2020 · Cara Guna OPK: boleh start check 2-3 hari selepas period. untuk yang jarang period, disarankan buat BBT (*cara buat BBT ada kat bawah) untuk period yang regular, formula kiraan cycle period – 14 = hari dijangka ovulate. Jadi mula check OPK 2-3 hari sebelum tu. kena check OPK sehingga -ve semula selepas +ve. Ideally, you should use one that is accurate to 1/10th (98.6) of a degree if you measure in Fahrenheit or 1/100th (37.00) of a degree in Celsius. Use the same thermometer throughout the cycle. If you buy a new one, start using it on day one of the next cycle. Taking your BBT is not too hard.The egg could drop anywhere from 12-48+ hours after you get your last +OPK. And, to make it more confusing, sometimes your body can ramp up, have the LH surge (you get a +OPK) and then for some ....

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